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Mostly Harmless
Smooth Jazz leaves no room on the racks or airways except for Dead Legends by Tom Hull This article is an unpublished draft. Ever since bebop drove a wedge between jazz and its former mass audience, musicians have been tempted to bridge the gap and heal the damage. And jazz purists have always denounced them -- honkers in the '50s, soul jazz in the '60s, fusion in the '70s -- as sellouts. As I sorted through new jazz releases for the Jazz Consumer Guide, I wondered whether today's more/less popular jazz might be the successor of soul jazz, making allowances for the evolution from Otis Redding and Al Green to Babyface and D'Angelo. The albums I found most appealing albums were the most r&b: Luther Vandross guitarist Doc Powell's *Cool Like That* (Heads Up) and saxophonist Andre Ward's disco throwback *Steppin' Up* (Award/Orpheus). Turns out that those records were marginal commercially -- in effect, they failed to be bland enough. But that's getting ahead of the story. First, let's define some terms. Smooth Jazz is a radio format, with a short singles playlist, predominantly instrumentals with light funk grooves, thick with keyboards, decorated with soprano or alto sax, flute, or the equivalent EWI. Contemporary Jazz is more of a product niche: Smooth Jazz plus more vocals and the occasional mainstream album, like Pat Metheny's *The Way Up* (Nonesuch), that is disciplined enough to fit in. Crossover is just a hopeful verb, based on the notion that the grass is always greener elsewhere. *Billboard*'s recent Top 200 charts have no more than 3-5 jazz albums listed, no matter how inclusively one defines jazz -- and those slots are much more likely to go to Pop Vocalists than Smooth Jazzers. Even Smooth Jazz albums aim to crossover, so they invariably include a couple of vocal cuts. *Billboard*'s Contemporary Jazz chart is dominated by Smooth Jazz, leaving the non-overlapping Jazz chart in thrall to the Pop Vocalists. The big loser in these definitions is every other form of Jazz. If you look at the Jazz racks in the big chain stores all you see are Smooth Jazz, Pop Vocalists, and Dead Legends -- Louis Armstrong, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday, maybe something by Monk or Ellington. For most of America that's all there is to Jazz, even though there are ten times as many new jazz releases outside the Smooth/Contemporary/Pop Vocal nexus as inside. The problem with this isn't that the popular stuff squeezes out the innovative stuff; the problem is that the evolution of the tradition that spawned all those Dead Legends has been replaced in the public view by something that doesn't follow any traditional definition of jazz. Smooth Jazz is a studio concoction, meticulously constructed by producers and session musicians. There is no improvisation in Smooth Jazz. There is no democratic interaction between the musicians; there's little individuality, no unpredictability, and never any risk of chaos. In these and many other respects, Smooth Jazz isn't the fat end of the Jazz popularity curve; it is the polar opposite of, well, let's give it a name, Real Jazz. That may help explain why Real Jazzbos so hate Smooth Jazz. The incommensurability of the two finally dawned on me when I queried trumpeter Jim Cifelli -- whose self-released *Groove Station* was tight, bouncy and tuneful -- about his Smooth Jazz prospects. He wrote back, "I would love to get any track on 'smooth jazz' radio but the promoter said that 'not one track was even close' to the proper format." What Cifelli's album lacks is the layered anonymity of, say, Boney James' *Pure* (Warner Bros.), which credits a dozen or more musicians on every track yet sounds like nothing at all. But other Smooth Jazz artists do show some individuality. Craig Chaquico (*Midnight Moon*, Higher Octave) has some zing to his guitar, probably because he records with a touring band. Jeff Lorber (*Flipside*, Narada Jazz) plays acoustic piano on top of the usual synth slush, giving it a little more rhythm and bite. Eric Darius (*Night on the Town*, Higher Octave), like Andre Ward, has a feel for disco. Gerald Albright (*Kickin' It Up*, GRP) has an agreeable tone on alto sax, some chops, and some taste. Mindi Abair (*Come As You Are*, GRP) has a slack tone on alto sax and a fragility to her vocals that reminds me of Chet Baker. Trumpeter Chris Botti (*When I Fall in Love*, Columbia) also has a Baker angle, more like a pose, but his austere hit album is a marked departure from Smooth Jazz orthodoxy. David Sanborn (*Closer*, Verve) also strays far from the norm, but evidently he's paid enough dues that he can get away with playing Real Jazz. None of these are great albums. At best they make for pleasing background music, which is tailor made for radio. More typically, a group like Urban Knights reminds me of the old question, "is there funk after death?" But mostly they're harmless. The masses have far more dangerous delusions. PS: actual email quote from Cifelli (edited above): Although "smooth jazz" is a pejorative among straight ahead players I did design this CD to have crossover appeal. It must be working because it's the first one that many of my relatives have enjoyed listening to. I would love to get any track of the CD on "smooth jazz" radio but the promoter, Mike Hurzon, said that "not one track was even close" to the proper format. I guess those stations are very restrictive. AlbumsMindi Abair: Come As You Are (2004, GRP): Young blonde saxtress, she lacks the bright tone of most smooth alto saxes, and doesn't go in for showy dynamics. Sings three songs with a thin, whispery voice that matches her sax. But two pieces stand out: "New Shoes" has an old-fashioned west coast horn arrangement for propulsion, and "Cyan" has a little bite to it. B- Acoustic Alchemy: Radio Contact (2003, Higher Octave): Two guitarists, the group's dynamic range can be summed up by noting that one uses steel strings, the other nylon. The loping guitar riddims are the group's essence; the bass, keybs, and percussion merely fill in. Easy listening almost to the point of sensory deprivation. C+ Acoustic Alchemy: American/English (2005, Higher Octave): The twin guitars still dominate, but they've never sounded less acoustic -- the synth fill oozes up through the cracks and cascades from the edges. Relentlessly bright and bouncy: I think I liked them better when they commanded less attention, but more likely I just disliked them less. C+ Gerald Albright: Kickin' It Up (2004, GRP): Saxophonist, mostly alto, can play some. I heard a story about him going off on a solo which had to be cut because it was disruptive. So credit him with some chops, and also some taste: the vocal here, by a guest I don't recognize, is a plus, and the non-funky closer, "If You Don't Know Me By Now," is done tastefully. His funk licks are perfunctory, and the usual keyb/synth/groove bottom is workable but not exceptional. B George Benson: Irreplaceable (2004, GRP): The three instrumentals are minor groove pieces for uninspired guitar and synth beats, but at least they don't have to carry the lame lyrics of the other seven songs. The songs come with neatly groomed layered voices. We tend to classify this kind of soul fluff as easy listening, but easy playing is more like it. It's not like anyone actually listens. C- Chris Botti: When I Fall in Love (2004, Columbia): His image may remind people of Chet Baker, but if he's the new Baker the original could pass for Fats Navarro. But this album at least breaks out of the smooth jazz formula: no funk, no groove, no beat. With Botti's plaintive trumpet backed by string orchestra, the record can be gorgeous as long as the songs are irresistible, like the title cut. But he can't salvage tripe like "Cinema Paradiso," and three cuts with guest vocalists, including his fairy-godfather Sting, just dull the mood. This was the best selling mostly-instrumental jazz album in recent memory. B- Rick Braun: Esperanto (2003, Warner Bros.): Trumpet player, good for a big sendup on a cover of "Green Tomatoes," but his originals are slight and unimaginative -- "Latinesque" is the title of one of the better ones, a lilting latin beat with a bit of trumpet color and synth wash. B- Brian Bromberg: Choices (2004, A440): Plays electric bass, including a piccolo bass tuned to sound like a guitar. Like most bassists, he specializes in funk lines although he can also conjure up chiming and ringing sounds, distinguishing him a bit from the crowd. Keyboardists vary, but Gary Meek is his sax guy, playing more tenor than soprano. Goes South African at the end. B Craig Chaquico: Midnight Noon (2004, Higher Octave): Ozzie Ahlers' keyboards are merely par for the course, but it no doubt helps that this was cut by a touring band rather than pieced together by a producer and the usual bevvy of studio hands. The leader's guitar also has more zing to it than is usually deemed appropriate for smooth jazz. He may have picked that up in his previous rock band career, although it sounds more like Allmans than Starship. B Joyce Cooling: This Girl's Got to Play (2004, Narada Jazz): So be it. But does she also have to sing? Her straight guitar groove pieces are nothing special, but at least they have direction, unlike producer Jay Wagner's keyboards. C Brian Culbertson: Come On Up (2003, Warner Bros.): Keyboards and programming, favors funk beats. Guest features for Steve Cole (tenor sax), Marcus Miller (bass), Rahsaan Patterson (vocals), Rick Braun (trumpet), Norman Brown (guitar) -- did he forget anyone? The one great song is the one he didn't write, "Serpentine Fire" -- not that this is a great performance. At first I thought he had replaced all the horn parts with synths, but he just mixed them down so low they vanish under keyboard and bass. B- Eric Darius: Night on the Town (2004, Higher Octave): Good, but lightweight, disco album. Darius plays bright alto sax, gets help from Ken Navarro with the beats. Couple of vocal tracks to give the programmers some options. B Down to the Bone: Cellar Funk (2004, Narada Jazz): Funk grooves, built on keyb beats, bass, guitar, with occasional horn vamps and/or vocal chants, neither of which relieve the uniformity of the beats. B- Fourplay: Journey (2004, Bluebird): The old white guys (pianist Bob James, guitarist Larry Coryell) haven't stretched out in decades, but toss off better licks than your average smooth jazz setup; the not-so-old black guys in the so-called rhythm section have some explaining to do. C Kenny G: Ultimate (1986-2003, Arista): The grand duke of smooth jazz, the guy with the sales figures that created and sustain the genre. The first point one must make is he really does have an uncanny knack not only for playing pretty but for developing arrangements of surpassing gorgeousness. Nothing wrong with that, but G pursues one narrow definition of beauty with the relentlessness of his first calling, which is business. But it should also be noted that when he tries adding vocals he loses his touch -- aside from the one he stole from Louis Armstrong. He is much hated by people who are devoted to jazz (not to mention fans of hip-hop, heavy metal, and dozens of other niches), perhaps more as a false commercial god than for anything he might lack in technique (not much, although it's hard to tell) or inspiration (quite a bit, there). C+ Euge Groove: Livin' Large (2004, Narada Jazz): A pseudonym for Steve Grove, he plays tenor as well as soprano sax, and is nimble enough on the larger horn to gracefully engage Paul Brown's stock grooves deserve. Two takes on a Sly Stone song -- as a rap and as an instrumental reprise -- fail to connect either with song or subject. C+ Incognito: Adventures in Black Sunshine (2004, Narada Jazz): English disco group, splitting the distance between Chic and EWF without the distinctiveness that made those groups so great. Which still leaves them with a dependable groove, the sort of anonymous vocals that blend into the mix, and a warm and sunny disposition. Their relationship to smooth jazz is tenuous, but I guess you take the market niche you can get. B+ Boney James: Pure (2004, Warner Brothers): Every piece has at least six credits, with many adding a horn section or a string section, with Boney's sax tucked into the matrix so neatly that you notice neither the complexity nor the craft. Indeed, this record comes as close to nothing as any I've ever heard: the rough edges have all been smoothed over, the beats routinized, any trace of personality expunged, even the guest vocals fade into oblivion. B- Jeff Lorber: Flipside (2005, Narada Jazz): There is a light, confectionary quality to Lorber's piano. Like much of the genre the synth beats lope along and everything else is tucked in neatly, including more trumpet and saxophone as the album winds along. Still, the extra instruments add little weight or diversity; rather, they intensify the sense that the music is mere mirage, a nothing that appears enchanting from a distance. B Keiko Matsui: Walls of Akendora (2005, Narada Jazz): This reminds me of classical music: not the old stuff that way back in grade school I avoided like the plague, but the stuff that snuck into my cranium through the movies when I was too ignorant to fathom what was going down. The central role of classical music in Hollywood was partly a historical accident, but the customary orchestration of drama was bound to be useful -- contemporary soundtracks follow the same ruts, even when they trade in string orchestras for synths. Matsui borrows more from Morricone than Mozart, but eschews the former's minimalism -- she likes to lay it on thick. I'm surprised it's as effective as it is. B+ Pat Metheny Group: The Way Up (2005, Nonesuch): Metheny's tirades against Kenny G are such common knowledge that Richard Thompson wrote a song about the dispute, siding pointedly with his fellow guitarist. But this record found itself #2 on Billboard's Contemporary Jazz chart, stuck behind, you guessed it, Kenny G, and leading a crowd of smooth jazz icons. There is nothing in the music here that suggests that slotting -- a clue, perhaps, is that the only other artist on the Contemporary Jazz chart with any real jazz credibility is Bill Frisell, also on Nonesuch. Metheny himself is a guy we've never been all that sure of. On the one hand, he's worked with abstractionists like Derek Bailey, cut a near-unlistenable solo album called Zero Tolerance for Silence, and provided commercial camouflage for Ornette Coleman's dazzling Song X. On the other hand, his longstanding Group with keyboardist Lyle Mays has been the most consistently popular fusion group of the last 25 years. This album adheres to none of the conventions of smooth jazz. In fact, it's a suite: an opening and three parts, each running past the 15 minute mark. I can't conceive of how they can edit it for airplay, but it does have one smooth connection: it's an elegant piece of texturing, and as such it fades gently into the background. But the texturing feels organic, and Cuong Vu's trumpet adds color. It's not compelling enough for either an artistic or commercial breakthrough, but it's not complacent or formulaic either. B+ Jason Miles: Miles to Miles: In the Spirit of Miles Davis (2005, Narada Jazz): That Jason Miles worked with Marcus Miller and Miles Davis on the latter's late '80s albums from Tutu to Amandla is a connection, but doesn't say much about spirit. Davis' post-'70 work was built around electric bass and guitar with a live drummer, and the keybs, even with Chick Corea, were just cheese sauce. But with Jason the synth beats are central: that's what he does. And despite an impressive array of guest talent that's about all he does. B- Courtney Pine: Devotion (2004, Telarc): Evidently a star of some magnitude in England, which may be why he feels free to push the music in all sorts of directions rather than just hacking to formula -- one with brass for Osibisa, aother with tabla and sitar, the gospel-tinged title song, even a brief nod to Pharoah Sanders. He can play, but this is built as a pop album, so it doesn't really develop as jazz, but it doesn't bland out either. B+ Positive Flow: Can U Feel It? (2004, Shanachie): Donna Gardier sings. Jesse Reuben Wilson writes the songs, arranges, produces, plays keybs, concocts the beats. Mediocre neo-anglo-soul, not trippy enough for trip hop. C+ Doc Powell: Cool Like That (2004, Heads Up): He's a pleasantly funky guitarist, with work for Wilson Pickett and Luther Vandross on his resume. Kirk Whallum helps out on sax, but most of this is just highly competent funk groove. The vocals are dispensable, but the two takes (vocal and instrumental) on "Let It Be" are nice work. B David Sanborn: Closer (2005, Verve): He's been there, done that, put enough money in pockets to get a recording budget and a listen from radio programmers who wouldn't give Bobby Watson or Vincent Herring the time of day. It helps that he has no interest in free time, and that his alto sax is a thing of beauty, and it don't hurt much that he can play the devil out of it. This isn't smooth in any definition, although the James Taylor song with the Lizz Wright vocal would fit the bill. But if they the smooth jazz powers slipped his perky "Tin Tin Deo" into their rotation it would stand out like Madonna on '80s AM. And while his "Capetown Fringe" does nothing that hasn't been done before, one wonders what the masses who never heard it before will think. His covers show good taste, and he doesn't muck them up even on the five tracks with strings. And he wrote the closing ballad, which, strings included, is lovely. B+ Spyro Gyro: The Deep End (2004, Heads Up): Spry funk, thick layers of guitar-keyb-sax that never let up, occasional tidbits of exotica; they don't aim for pablum, but they don't take risks either, so in the end they're as predictable as formula. B- Thievery Corporation: The Cosmic Game (2005, ESL Music): This mild-mannered dub outfit is the name most frequently dropped as the difference between old-fashioned Smooth Jazz radio and its purported successor, something called Chill. Not jazz, smooth or acid or whatever; not dreary enough for trip-hop; not up enough to dance to; not ambient enough to snooze to; not much of anything, which is presumably the point. Still, the designation seems unfair, unless they lose the patois next time. B Nestor Torres: Sin Palabras (Without Words) (2004, Heads Up): Puerto Rican flautist, at best he flies above irresistible latino groove, sometimes switching to the more substantial alto flute. But more often than not the groove is merely prefab, which leaves his flute fluttering in the wind. B- Urban Knights: Urban Knights VI (2005, Narada Jazz): Is there funk after death? And why should anyone care? C Andre Ward: Steppin' Up (2004, Award/Orpheus): Warm, comfy alto sax; old-fashioned disco grooves, reminds me of Bohannon at its best, but Bohannon meant for you to work out harder. The vocal guest shots, although not bad, still interfere with the vibe. Best smooth jazz album of 2004, not that that's saying much. B+ Kim Waters: In the Name of Love (2004, Shanachie): His alto sax is sweet and lustrous, standing out from the usual synth mishmash that makes up the rest of the groove. He reaches back to Barry White for an inspirational cover ("right now we're gonna go way back"), and taps R. Kelly for something comtemporary. C+ Pamela Williams: Sweet Saxations (2005, Shanachie): Alto sax, with a tiny boost to her playing which reminds me a bit of old guys like Hal Singer, but the rhythm matrix here is the usual painless groove. The one token vocal piece ululates gospel, but the basic grind is old fashioned r&b. B- Yellowjackets: Altered State (2005, Heads Up): In business since 1981, with Russell Ferrante and Jimmy Haslip still in their original roles 18 albums later, plus relative newcomer Bob Mintzer on reeds -- AMG sez Mintzer gives them "more jazz credibility," but this album doesn't. The groove tracks are exceptionally lifeless, and Mintzer plays along decoratively rather than taking any tangents. The obligatory vocal track is even more lifeless. C Forever, for Always, for Luther: A Tribute to Luther Vandross (2004, GRP): You can follow the thread of r&b back at least fifty years and find jazz analogues every step of the way. If today's matches suffer by comparison, it's partly because today's slicker, more urbane r&b depends more than ever on the vocalists, and because jazz vocalists these days just don't make the grade. What keeps this from tanking is that the instrumentalists at least get good songs to work over. Best shots: Kirk Whallum, Mindi Abair. B Jazz for Couch Potatoes! (2004, Shanachie): Old TV themes done up by the Couch Potato All-Stars, a/k/a Chuck Loeb with help from much of Shanachie's roster -- the good (Eric Alexander), the bad (Kim Waters), and the ugly (David Mann). Light but tasteful arrangements, clever to downright mediocre tunes. I like Alexander on "Bewitched" and Loeb on "The Andy Griffith Show," but would have preferred Charlie Parker to convolute "Gilligan's Island." B NotesI wrote the following in a letter to Regina Joskow, which sums up my theories about smooth jazz as a business:
AMG has genres for Crossover Jazz [c], Smooth Jazz [s], Contemporary Jazz [t], Jazz-Funk [f], Jazz-Pop [p], and Instrumental Pop [i], all of which have some bearing here. Some definitions:
The combined key artist lists (omitting artists who didn't work in the '00s; numbers are AMG "tiers"; some additional artists from play lists have been added, without bracket notes) is:
Lists of featured albums (2004-05) in genre. Sources: spun.com; amazon.com (smooth jazz).
The following is an artist list picked up from smooth jazz radio station playlists (KBZN, KKSF, KOAS, KSMJ, KSSJ, WAVE, WJJZ, WJZA, WJZW, WNUA, WNWV, WSJT, WSSM; also smoothjazz.com top 50), omitting known singers:
Omitted singers include: Anita Baker, Michael Buble, Ray Charles, Natalie Cole, Phil Collins, Dido, Roberta Flack, Hall & Oates, Al Jarreau, Norah Jones, Alicia Keys, Diana Krall, Chaka Khan, Michael McDonald, Queen Latifah, Sade, Seal, Sting, Luther Vandross, Vanessa Williams, Stevie Wonder Definition from Jazz Online: Crossover jazz is a contemporary phenomenon that has returned jazz music to the spotlight, albeit at a price that gives many jazz purists cause for serious concern. Contemporary instrumental music, as well as jazz-rock fusion and contemporary funk, are in essence jazz-inflected styles of popular music that might feature a limited amount of improvisation, but are far from devoted to the accepted conventions of jazz as their primary purpose. Critics sometimes forget, however, that what essentially amounts to popular instrumental music has been a constant component of jazz for decades. Most recently, this trend has been manifested by trumpeter Chuck Mangione in the 1970s, and onetime saxophone session man Kenny G in the 1980s and 1990s. By some accounts, Kenny G has become the best-selling instrumental artist of all time. Other hugely popular crossover jazz artists include Grover Washington, Jr., David Sanborn, and Pat Metheny. Crossover jazz styles have also grown to include variations of acid jazz, ambient, trip-hop and forms of hip-hop.Bio from Andre Ward's website (horrible Flash): Take a seasoned musician who can play the soprano, alto and tenor saxophone with skilled ease and passion and mix in varied elements of gospel, jazz RnB and you have the next big thing to hit the jazz scene - ANDRE WARD. In the company of other accomplished artists that have set the precedence for smooth jazz, Andre Ward leaves off where Kenny G., Alex Bugnon and Najee have succeeded with Orpheus Music. ¶ Born and raised in Chicago, Illinois, Andre started playing music at the age of five. The snare drum would be the first instrument to introduce him to the love of music, but it would be the saxophone that would ultimately allow him to receive a music performing scholarship to the renowned Berklee College of Music in Boston, Massachusetts. As Andre's craft developed, he had the opportunity to travel and perform with some of the best and brightest talents. From performances at the Montreaux Jaz Festival in Montreux, Switzerland, to the Performing Art's Tour in Lagos, Nigeria, Andre's talent and passion for music would not go unnoticed. Andre's resume of experience includes working with the biggest names in the bsuiness, including being the musical director for Freddie Jackson and touring with the likes of Teena Marie, Will Downing, The Bobby Jones Gospel Group, The Four Tops, The O'Jays and the legendary Mr. Dizzy Gillespie. ¶ With a love of music, Andre finds inspiration in all different types. "I think it helps me to be a well-rounded musician. Gospel, Hip-Hop, Contemporary and Traditional Jazz influence me. At first I only listened to Grover Washington, Jr. Then I was introduced to a recording of Cannonball Adderley and was blown away. I didn't know that a saxophonist could sound like this. Then I fell in love with traditional jazz, Charlie Parker and John Coltrane. That is when I began to understand what Grover Washington was doing, he was combining both elements." It is this basis that makes Andre's latest release, Feelin' You such a success in it's fusion of various influences. And it is no wonder that he is beyond categorization -- Andre creates music that anyone at any age can identify with. *Feelin' You* includes the already classic #1 hit "Fallin" by Alicia Keyes and the pop hit, "Shape of My Heart" by The Backstreet Boys. ¶ Ask anyone who has seen Andre perform live and they will attest to the raw energy and limitless ability of this musical talent. Known for his amazing live performances, Andre plays from his heart and truly expresses himself through the thing he loves most -- his music. This is music you experience, not listen to. Note that Feelin' You was his first album, from 2001, so this is dated, as well as atrociously written. Radio Stations
JazzTrax has a 5-hour weekly syndicated radio show which appears on 42 radio stations. On their website they have a list of "2005 new smooth jazz releases" (through March):
Links
The following is a fairly comprehensive list of smooth jazz releases for the year 2004, derived from contemporaryjazz.com, removing DVDs, reissues, compilations, and items that don't belong (e.g., Steve Kuhn, Ladysmith Black Mambazo). The list is then split into three groups: smooth jazz instrumentals, vocalists, and crossover (by which I mean artists who get some respect in straight jazz circles as well as some smooth jazz play). Smooth Jazz Instrumentals (86)
Popular Jazz Vocalists (22)
Crossover Jazz Artists (21):
Finally, I don't know what these things are (even after looking most of them up):
The following are the bestseller lists from the Mar. 5, 2005 issue of Billboard. There are two categories: Contemporary Jazz and Jazz. There is no intersection, so the records have been somewhat arbitrarily assigned (e.g., Chris Botti appears in both lists, with different records). Contemporary Jazz (Billboard, Mar. 5, 2005):
Jazz (Billboard, Mar. 5, 2005):
I'm not sure what we can conclude from these lists. More vocalists are on Jazz than CJ: the latter has 5 (counting Caldwell and Benson), the former at least 13 (not counting Armstrong or any of the 5 comps; there are others with vocal tracks). While CJ is mostly smooth, it has three artists I consider legit mainstream jazz (Metheny, Frisell, MMW; although I've only heard the latter). On the other hand, the J list includes several I associate with CJ (Botti, Miles, Sanborn), and only three (DeFrancesco, Haden, Motian) I regard as significant jazz players. Not sure what the presence of cheapo comps on the J list means. | |